QUOTE (agrizokh @ 08. Dec 2010, 10:33)
I mean the so-called "Berghain sound" which is all over the place these days, labels like Sandwell District, Horizontal Ground, Traversible Wormhole, and Ostgut themselves...
I guess it works in the Berghain atmosphere, but sounds very weird everywhere else. It's also all the same - someone (Ben Klock?) came up with the sound, and now everyone's copying it, it's sort of the new mnml with the same generic sounds, but now sounding more lo-fi. Where's the groove? Where's the music? Where's the innovation, finnaly? To me, it's just boom boom boom with no groove with some eeire pads on top. How is that cool and/or dancable?
You open the techno sectionin any online record store, and it's that stuff all over it.
Examples: saw Robag Whrume, the guy everyone seems to suck up to on the internets, and he killed the atmosphere of the whole festival with his "real techno". After him, a Japanese dude named Takkyu Ishino managed not only to revive the party, but become the star of the show right before the boring headliners went on.
Also saw Ben Klock, but he was pretty good - but he has a very distinct style, and, for instance, I doubt that any of the tracks he played would fit into my set. Though his set was even more into schranz territorry.
Where's the pure electronic techno? So what if the acid sound isn't new, you can still make wonders with it (though it seems too many fakes put their hands on a 303 these days). Where are the tight percussive loops, fucked up driving beats and phat synths?
Wanted to write some more, but thoughts escape me now...
Anyway, this is a rant of a DJ who switched to vinyl in hopes there may be some better exclusive tunes there, but they are still one in a million, compared to one in a trilli-fucking-whatever-on on digital. Nope, 99% of the vinyl sold these days can go straight back to the plant for recycling... I spend hours and days listening and trying to form my record collection, and I still pretty much buy classics. Getting frustrated and dissapointed in the techno scene... And seeing that I bob my head more to vocal house releases, at least those got soul =)
First of all its only my personal opinion, i dont want to prove anything to anyone or change what music either of you are listening to.
I've red only your post, cus im not in the mood of reading text walls at the moment. First of all i just wanna say that Takkyu Ishino is not only a dude, hes an awesome producer with great potential. I wanna ask you, what do you expect? Most of the people hear things which are over hyped even before they reach the stores n stuff, which leads to big labels like u mentioned above ruling the interwebs and masses with their bullshitechno.
There are pretty new labels like Council House Records, Micron Audio with artists like Shawn Rudimann, DJ Stingray and stuff, but when i ask how many vinyls and digital records they sell its just makes me THINK.
Robag Whurm or whatever has a most retarded sound ive heard over past few years, his music is soulless and boring and i dont get it how people can call it real techno or even techno, because its 3 looped sounds playing for 8 minutes, most of his work could be used to torture people in some underground jail.
Ben Klock - this guy has his + and - but generally hes pretty good, played after him at one venue and he really made people dance, cus he mainly played groovy detroitish stuff.
To answer where is pure electronic techno / acid techno etc. There is none and there wont be none, you can find something similar, i can even give you links to artists in pm but the old Detroit/Berlin sound is gone forever, thats for sure. Look to what Saunderson, May plays, its mostly oldies goldies from 90s. Carl Craig adapted to the system and plays bullshit together with Luciano (almost fell asleep during their Time Warp set) i really hope he will repent his sins this year in Detroit while doing 69 live.Mad Mike doesnt release shit himself cus there is no point. Surgeon makes some good remixes but nothing really cool of his own. Aux88, Octave One does their live sets. Jeff Mills produces himself, and his dj sets are mostly from his own tracks. And so on..i could continue the list but you know the situation yourself. The only artist who really surprised me was Oscar Mulero with his new album Grey faded to Green, that one is awesome, even know its released last month.
Im making a mixtape for one of the online mag podcasts at the moment, and all the tracks are mostly from 90s and early 2000 Berlin/Detroit based. I simply cant find any good, new music, maybe i could, but im just to bored swimming in shit when i jump in to the sea of online record stores.
Anyway if you are a DJ one of your tasks should be to make a record sound timeless and groovy no matter if its a classic or a new one. Spin the wax and keep fighting, situation is bad, but complaining didnt help anyone, somebody needs to keep up the right sound, doesnt matter if its heard by 30 or 3000 people, important thing, like it yourself, im sure that there are many old and not that old records which you will discover or re-discover and continue playing.
Sorry for brainstorming, hope you got what i meant. Cheers and good luck.