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darkinvader
Hey Guys.

I'm gonna get shit for this, but It needs to be said.

Dubstep is commercial now.

Its a Fad

In maybe 5-10 years its producers are going to move genre and make whatever comes after dubstep.

I see new nights being set up by people who don't even know the genre at all, its rich history and it's development.

The time when I realised its all just a fad was about 2 weeks ago, my mate organises a Dubstep night, and has some fucking great line-ups, safe to say he has a refined taste in dubstep.

He plays stuff by Ramadanman, Martyn, Untold, Brackles....so basically the 2 step influenced stuff.

He was playing and he dropped some beasts....about 40 people came up to him in the space of 2 hours and asked him to start playing dubstep again.

From then on I knew...Dubstep will die is a few years and become something else.

Agree with me, don't agree with me....just don't come back in 5 years and go...dubstep is dead...coz all i will say is...I told you so.
darkinvader
NOTE:

In this I do not say Dubstep is shit music, don't flame me for that. I like dubstep, I'm merely pointing out how its become commercial and these new fans of the genre don't actually know what the genre is.

If your going to reply, I want meaningful replies that are logical and intelligent and don't insult my intelligence.

This is a discussion, not an arguement, I'm merely telling you my view....I would like to hear yours.
dominator
i think you are right and completelly agree with your observations.
from my perspective, it is already going that way (down the drain) for some years, and although i do like some of the tunes very much, it has become overflooded not only by hyped-up fans, but also by hyped-up producers who are copying and enforcing the already-set cliche's which are, fortunatelly, questioned from time to time by some great producers, so there are still some gems that do not rely on psychosomatic reaction to sound vs drugs, but also have some substance in it...

as darkinvader said, i am not against dubstep, but the dubstep 'genre' has become sadly misused nowadays, primarily from the aforementioned promoters who are sticking to it just because it is an actual buzzword.

as in dnb, dubstep is now 99% bullshit and 1% diamond.
like every other shit in human nature i guess...
partywithfrank
Yeah Dub step has exploded in the UK over the last year or so! It was always an underground scene up until then... now at the nights i go to i see plastic people that are so out of place in an dark dingy club banging out massive basslines, they need to be in Oceania or Liquid...

They go because it is cool to go and they are hoping to hear the skream rmx of la roux which they inevitably request... Like they would in there normal haunts...

As far as a fad goes. yes this will die off soon enough, as soon as the plastic peeps realise they cant get their request played and are frightened away by a scene they see going on in the toilet... uh huh! The money in it will then not be there and the promo will stop and the promotors will be looking at other genres to promote!

The real party isn't in the clubs anymore its at the free parties... Taking us back to the old skool days, the good thing about these parties are you need to be in the loop and music is varied, so you are never going to attract the plastic that go with the times coz its in!!! This is the place where the party is at... and it will never change..!

I may have got dragged off the subject a little sorry!!! I do ramble a bit!
recursive
There is no way you can classify dubstep as "99% bullshit" just because more people know about the genre. Is house 99% bullshit because alot of people listen to it? No.

Agreed, there are people out there who claim dubstep as their favorite solely to fit in and pretend they are knowledgeable about upcoming genres. But that further creates a sub group of people who are about the traditional dubstep. There is still an underground culture of the more loyal and non-fake dubstep lovers. The quality of the music is not hindered by the mere fact that dubstep is played more often.
NexusMusic
recursive: i totally agree with you on that. Sure it is becoming mainstream. Fuck the whole rave scene is becoming mainstream these days. At least thats the way it is in Texas. Honestly there hasn't been a TRUE rave scene for a while. I first heard a live PA set from Zapper in Austin at a warehouse party in January 08. That was my first introduction to dub and grime. Not too many people were spinning it at the time. Then in June of 2008 there was the start of Mad Classy Sundays at Barcelona. It was Austin's first dubstep night. After that it exploded. More and more kids hopped on the band wagon. There are some who actually dig around and look for those diamond producers, myself being one. But then there are all those over-commercialized plastics, to put it as someone else said, who just listen to the mainstream shit, Rusko, Caspa, Skream, Benga, etc. I doubt most of them know the ones who really pioneered the genre, or the ones who are still continuing to push the envelope, mostly the underground producers. I will ALWAYS love dubstep. It is my life force. It keeps my blood flowing. Keeps me from murdering a bunch of dumbass fucking club kids too.
swailok
i love the backbeat style..i just think people should mix up their bass and drum sounds a bit so it doesnt all sound the same. quit trying to fit in and start bending the genre. ,,-coming from a non-dub expert.
darkinvader
Heres how I see it.

Most of my mates are not EDM fans.

But now Dubstep is popular they like it.

I know I sound like in my rant at the top that the commercialization of dubstep is a bad thing...

but maybe its a good thing.

Now my friends ask me to make them mixes, they come and see me spin (even though i spin dnb)

so there are some pro's and con's....i try and concentrate on the pro's
zealot192
i dont think dubstep will die ... i might return to its undergrond state once everyone gets sick of it. but as long as someone still has a passion for it, it will still exist.
AdamNuk
totally agree with you no end have i been to see a huge line up to find some skinny jeans wearing little tike with stupid hair and then pointless glasses bouncing around to a warm up dj playing la roux shouting i love dubstep totally spoiled it for me
Resonance
A friend of mine and i got chatting about this at a local club last night, we got fairly aggrovated at how the genre has hit the masses, but in the worst way. Everyone local to me seems to think that dubstep is simply squelchy wobble i.e caspa, they literally think the whole genre is caspa and it's effecting the genre itself as these people are attempting to get involved in the scene and cocking it up.

Saying this though there are many brilliant releases and advancements coming through, namely 2562's new LP which i'm thoroughly looking forward too, so i think it's all going on track
phrogpheet
blame the midrange cack for dubsteps "commercialization"

as long as it gets back to its garage, 2 step roots, the genre will be worthy in my eyes
commondenom
it will just break up into smaller sub genres which in turn will become commercial and so the wheel goes round......Dubstep might be commercial, but its still not all over the charts which makes it sort of underground still.....basically purists always have to fight a losing battle to keep their scenes pure and real (whatever that may be), but someone always wants to make money out of it and so the sound and image gets diluted and watered down until its accesable to all.......sux don't it?
Harry
its got popular, that's all and it's original deep sound has certainly been diluted with thuggery sounds that appeal to the commercial masses. but the root cause of production is still very much apparent.

in that sense, one must remember that every genre of music goes through a 'fad'. but dubstep is far from boring and the real die-hards know who to look for and which nights to go to. dubstep is still pushing the boundary forward and is pioneering the development in electronic music, with other genres adopting subtle dubstep characteristics.

2 step and post-garage (el-b and falty dl for example) are leading the way, and i love the fact that dubstep is progressing in that direction. i too am tired of the heavy wobble, in my opinnion the only people who can pull it off are coki, loefah and goth trad (plus others from that original crew)

dubstep was always going to get popular, and like all the other genres that scale new heights in popularity, all it means is that you've got to dig that little bit deeper for the good stuff. it's still there and it's never sounded better.

fuk ur nan
ralphmcd
QUOTE (darkinvader @ 09. Sep 2009, 11:55) *
In maybe 5-10 years its producers are going to move genre and make whatever comes after dubstep.

You think it'll take that long? By the way, since you're a DnB DJ I was wondering if you would agree that it's just further behind in the process that DnB has been going through for the last 5 years? Don't get me wrong, I love good DnB. Used to mostly spin jungle. But the crowd isn't what it was and the mainstream has got repetitive. Same thing that's begining to happen to dubstep. If anything, it might be a good thing for DnB as the crowd moves on...
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If you ask me, its Pendulum's fault.They started it with faggotsugar in the d'n'b genre, now their commercialism affected not only dnb itself but dubstep as well.
darkinvader
QUOTE (ralphmcd @ 11. Sep 2009, 12:56) *
QUOTE (darkinvader @ 09. Sep 2009, 11:55) *
In maybe 5-10 years its producers are going to move genre and make whatever comes after dubstep.

You think it'll take that long? By the way, since you're a DnB DJ I was wondering if you would agree that it's just further behind in the process that DnB has been going through for the last 5 years? Don't get me wrong, I love good DnB. Used to mostly spin jungle. But the crowd isn't what it was and the mainstream has got repetitive. Same thing that's begining to happen to dubstep. If anything, it might be a good thing for DnB as the crowd moves on...


i agree with you 100%.

Most DnB is shit nowadays

But theres a handful of producers that are making it worthwhile

Break
Spectrasoul
Alix Perez
Survival
Redeyes
Lenzman
Noisia
Black Sun Empire

Srsly check those guys out
noxmad
Don't forget how much technology has affected how fast dubstep has become more and more popular.
DnB's timeline is much slower than what dubstep's will be because the technology to produce tunes so quick and easy was not as accessible and vast as it is now. It's basically the 90s on speed. We already have a dubstep equivalent of clownstep, which'll probably share the same name.

** I actually was going to avoid posting in this thread because all the dubstep's a fad / boring etc threads are themselves quite boring. I'd rather just enjoy my music and let people do their thing, and hate on stuff I don't like in my own time smile.gif
dj_jaydee
Question: Is Dubstep a fad?

Answer: YES!

Topic closed ha!
noxmad
QUOTE (dj_jaydee @ 11. Sep 2009, 18:35) *
Question: Is Dubstep a fad?

Answer: YES!

Topic closed ha!

and that's why i usually avoid these threads wink.gif
dj_jaydee
QUOTE (noxmad @ 11. Sep 2009, 18:51) *
QUOTE (dj_jaydee @ 11. Sep 2009, 18:35) *
Question: Is Dubstep a fad?

Answer: YES!

Topic closed ha!

and that's why i usually avoid these threads wink.gif

lol
it was a joke man because of your comment lol have a sense of humor man. i sincerley apologise if i offended you.
Resonance
QUOTE (dj_jaydee @ 11. Sep 2009, 18:35) *
Question: Is Dubstep a fad?

Answer: YES!

Topic closed ha!


Replys like this are what makes a good worthwhile discussion rubbish
Radders
I personally am not a lover of Dubstep or DnB. I like some of it and appreciate that the 'caspa' wobble as it was described, brought in a lot of copycats. Dubstep is not a Fad for a few reasons.

1) Any new hype creates demand for the product (Dubstep). The supply of Dubstep records will increase because people want more of it. Until supply surpasses demand and the scene will plateau (equilibrium). This does not mean it is a fad. I am sure true Dubstep lovers will try and produce new exciting sounds and the Genre will carry on.

example: 60's Rock and Roll.....many bands started up because of the success of their idols. Many failed and the number of new 60's Rock bands dwindled as the music changed in the 70's. Many people make 60's sounding rock today, bands cover it as they love it so much.

2) Even though i stated it is not a Fad as a whole, it could be a Fad for the current 'plastic people'. They may not care where Dubstep came from or where it's going and are happy to listen to whatever is getting air time or columns written about them in the 'cool' media. The media carries a huge influence on uneducated people, covering every topic from immigrants to music and often the media are looking to be the first to unveil 'the next big thing' to create the new hype.

3) Closey linked to my last point, the plastic people fueling the fire of the dubstep explosion WILL age. With age, usually comes responsibility and often the benefits of partying and supporting the local dubstep scene do not outweigh the costs of doing so. For example...longer hangovers, baby sitters and possibly bored of the music. This means that the number of party goers reduces meaning lower demand.

It important that i explain what i consider a FAD.......Tamagotchi's were a Fad.......they come and then they go. I do not think this will happen with Dubstep it seems like there are plenty of people who want keep it going. House has seen a few up and downs, trance is still selling out big gigs, but there are fewer of them. Dubstep will live on and i say good.....i am glad, the more diverse the scene the better.
noxmad
QUOTE (dj_jaydee @ 11. Sep 1535, 19:24) *
lol
it was a joke man because of your comment lol have a sense of humor man. i sincerley apologise if i offended you.

I was messing with you, but you seem to think I have no sense of humour tongue.gif You havn't offended me I was just joking... maybe you are the one without a sense of humour! wink.gif

Although there was some seriousness behind it in that , like dark stated in his post, "I want meaningful replies that are logical and intelligent and don't insult my intelligence."
indica
House music, techno, trance, dnb .... all fads.
Fraxtil
Yes, it's a fad and I hope it dies down soon. Some dubstep is alright, but now there are quite a few electronic artists who are moving away from their usual styles to this stuff and it's starting to annoy me. (I'm looking at you, Cardopusher. >_>)
output
Lets go listen to Beethoven then, his music ain't no craze happy.gif
DJBallistic
To be honest when I first heard the term dubstep, i wasn't even sure that was a music style. I had never heard of it before but no i can say its an awesome style and not just a fad in my opinion. La Roux has some really cool dubstep remixes of "In for the kill" that is very popular around my area.
spectra
Dubstep is the new trance. Trance was commercial once (though it really avoided a lot of the mainstreamism that dubstep's hitting right now). Nowadays, trancers are pretty sparse, but there are still some devotees around. I suspect dubstep will mature in the same manner.
dj_jaydee
Dubstep is ok in short bursts imo .. but that maybe because im in california and dubstep is a fad here. Every dj i know has converted to mostly the wobbley dubstep and its frustrating the hell out of me cause i dont like to mix into that at parties and what not. Anyway i realise my comment above all thuogh a joke is starting to steer this conversation in the wrong direction. so i want to see if we can steer it back into the right. Only time will tell if dubstep is actually a fad. Im sure in the 70's when disco was king, lol , if you would have asked them if their beloved genre was a fad they would have said no. Nowl looking back those same people will admit that disco was in fact a fad. So i find it pointless to pose this question to a bunch of dubsteppers while it is in its prime. That is my honest opinion and i hope this post can fall back into the meaningful discussion it once was. smile.gif
shaneski
it Won't be long until you see dubstep-mania mixtape adverts on the telly like in the uk Jungle scene circa 1994 period confused.gif . J-Dnb went through all of this caper with heads sayin it won't last etc and all types a fashion man jumped all over it.....but it's still going strong and continues to be groundbreaking not all of it just a small percentage of dope producers some of which who have been around since day dot still banging out the good tracks. With a handful of new people keeping up the tradition for the purists.

It’s about the evolution of the sound if anything. the punters who drift from scene to scene eventually fall off and shit goes back semi-underground anyway don't panic - it's certain producers who curtail to the mainstream (again not all of them) depends on whether you going to keep making beats as a hobby or as a full time career. To take it a career level and make it pay your mortgage bills etc. inevitably its gonna get to the commercial level to get your music into more ear holes to earn a steady income from it. subsequently as a direct result of this a lot of watering down of the sound does occur.

Don’t worry about it, appreciate the time the true heads take to make the other true heads sit up and go "this is a wicked tune"

is dubstep a fad .......NO

anyway thats my bit

wicked site BTW.
eyetea
QUOTE (shaneski @ 14. Sep 2009, 06:18) *
Dnb went through all of this caper with heads sayin it won't last etc and all types a fashion man jumped all over it...


haha! biggrin.gif jokes... I'm gonna start using the expression fashion man biggrin.gif too funny!

Also... yes the wobbly sound is getting rinsed out at the moment, no its not gonna kill dubstep off although there probably will be a time when it suddenly goes out of fashion and all the bandwagoneers jump onto whatever the next big thing is
Purp
who cares mate?
Purp
Threads like this piss me off, if you dont like it...or whats it becoming dont listen to it. No ones forcing you
darkinvader
there are a few labels that are making the sound what dubstep used to sound like

one major one is called Night Audio.

El-B is gonna be releasing his new EP on there...its gonna be siiiiick
robbee
and Purp, posts like that piss me of as well. Might as well not reply at all, cause you say nothing contributing / meaningfull / ontopic.

OT: every genre has it's crap, and there will always be producers, djs, and dedicated people who will try to keep their own scene alive.
Purp
QUOTE (robbee @ 18. Sep 2009, 15:53) *
and Purp, posts like that piss me of as well. Might as well not reply at all, cause you say nothing contributing / meaningfull / ontopic.

OT: every genre has it's crap, and there will always be producers, djs, and dedicated people who will try to keep their own scene alive.


Just because i dont agree with him doesnt mean that i dont have a vaild opinion, theres so many threads saying dubsteps becoming shit etc.... i never see why people bother making more after the first
Purp
I just think its quite an eliteist and pointless veiw on genres of music, that if branches of it become commercial then its all of a sudden not cool and people start hating it
robbee
the comment 'who cares mate' sounds ten times more elitist imo.
Purp
QUOTE (robbee @ 18. Sep 2009, 16:57) *
the comment 'who cares mate' sounds ten times more elitist imo.


I literally don't know what to say back to that, primarily because it doesn't make any sense at all. Why would that be elitist? It might not sound nice, and im sorry for the initial burst of anger but its seeing yet another thread dedicated to people saying how dubsteps becoming too mainstream thats grinding on me, just every genre of music i get into this happens with. I would just like it if people could listen to what they wanted without complaining all the time about it "selling out". If in 5 years time we are all listening to something else then so be it. There will be just the same amount of people hating it then too.
darkinvader
QUOTE (Purp @ 18. Sep 2009, 17:05) *
QUOTE (robbee @ 18. Sep 2009, 16:57) *
the comment 'who cares mate' sounds ten times more elitist imo.


I literally don't know what to say back to that, primarily because it doesn't make any sense at all. Why would that be elitist? It might not sound nice, and im sorry for the initial burst of annoyance its just seeing yet another thread dedicated to people saying how dubsteps becoming too mainstream grinds on me, just every genre of music i get into this happens with. I would just like it if people could listen to what they wanted without complaining all the time about it "selling out". If in 5 years time we are all listening to something else then so be it. There will be just the same amount of people hating it then too.



look this is a discussion if you don't wanna take part go away! I've heard your view on the matter and I thank you for that, but posts like "who cares" are stupid

obviously quite a few people "care" coz alot of people have responded
Purp
QUOTE (darkinvader @ 18. Sep 2009, 17:07) *
QUOTE (Purp @ 18. Sep 2009, 17:05) *
QUOTE (robbee @ 18. Sep 2009, 16:57) *
the comment 'who cares mate' sounds ten times more elitist imo.


I literally don't know what to say back to that, primarily because it doesn't make any sense at all. Why would that be elitist? It might not sound nice, and im sorry for the initial burst of annoyance its just seeing yet another thread dedicated to people saying how dubsteps becoming too mainstream grinds on me, just every genre of music i get into this happens with. I would just like it if people could listen to what they wanted without complaining all the time about it "selling out". If in 5 years time we are all listening to something else then so be it. There will be just the same amount of people hating it then too.



look this is a discussion if you don't wanna take part go away! I've heard your view on the matter and I thank you for that, but posts like "who cares" are stupid

obviously quite a few people "care" coz alot of people have responded


I dont, bye going tesco
commondenom
QUOTE (Purp @ 18. Sep 2009, 16:45) *
I just think its quite an eliteist and pointless veiw on genres of music, that if branches of it become commercial then its all of a sudden not cool and people start hating it



like me....i hate straight commercial loving fuck wits, and everything they like and thus destroy........they should all be shot, or given acid, then if that doesnt wise them up they should be shot.....stupid straight cunts goddammit, they ruin everything cos they too lazy or dumb or uninspiring to come up with good ideas of their own....fucking advertisers and marketers and corporate scum.... down.gif rant
spectra
I keep sayin' it, and people must keep ignorin' me.

Dubstep is following basically the same course that trance followed about a decade or so ago. Expect it to evolve and thrive in similar ways.

Dubstep is the new trance.
indica
What he said ^^^^^

It was all a fad at some stage, house, techno, the lot .....
eem
HAPPY HARDCORE WILL MAKE IT'S RETURN AFTER DUBSTEP!!!!
commondenom
QUOTE (eem @ 19. Sep 2009, 12:41) *
HAPPY HARDCORE WILL MAKE IT'S RETURN AFTER DUBSTEP!!!!

no.gif that stuff lost all credibility when they started turning it into kiddy music by putting nursery rhymes and childrens tv program themes into the tracks...... thats the quickest way to destroy a genre......
Widget
QUOTE (common denominator @ 19. Sep 2009, 06:55) *
QUOTE (eem @ 19. Sep 2009, 12:41) *
HAPPY HARDCORE WILL MAKE IT'S RETURN AFTER DUBSTEP!!!!

no.gif that stuff lost all credibility when they started turning it into kiddy music by putting nursery rhymes and childrens tv program themes into the tracks...... thats the quickest way to destroy a genre......

I haven't been seeing much new for Happy Hardcore, but Freeform and UK Hardcore are looking nice (well, maybe not UK Hardcore with songs like "Hardcore Breakfast"..)

Anyway, I think Dubstep is and is not a fad. Gabber went through something like this. What'll probably happen is you'll have "new" Dubstep and "old" Dubstep. "New" Dubstep will go mainstream then eventually die off because no one can make anything new, but there won't be any support for the oldschool Dubstep because everyone uses the new to represent all of it.
tronsgoe
If anything, it's actually becoming a sustainable genre now. What you're seeing is diversity in the genre and people coming in from different angles. How shit would it be if everyone who got into a scene had to straight away listen to all the roots of the scene before they could say they listened to dubstep??

How did you first get into a certain style of music? The chances are you listened to a track which was very accessible and had an instant hook to it - thought you liked this sound and then started to dig deeper. This is how genre's stay alive. You should be greatful of the commercial acts coming in and getting involved because that means more people will start to dig deeper and find the style they really like.

Dubstep is no longer just dubstep. I'm seeing breaks in the scene all over, more liquid stuff, the original roots stuff, all the party bass things rusko etc are doing. Sub genre's are the way for a sound to grow. You're right though, in 5-10 years you won't hear what you think is dubstep...but that's a good thing - we can't just stick in the same place for that long!

Two years ago I heard one of my mates say dubstep is just a fad...I also remember in my teens being told dnb was dead...that was in 98.

go figure.
m1tch37
QUOTE (eem @ 19. Sep 2009, 13:41) *
HAPPY HARDCORE WILL MAKE IT'S RETURN AFTER DUBSTEP!!!!


......really? =/
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